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3.1.2.1 1st NASA MATERIALS, PROCESSES (M&P) AND NDE STANDARDS MEETING

MINUTES

 
LOCATION:   JET PROPULSION LABORATORY (JPL), PASADENA, CALIFORNIA


DATE:            MARCH 23-24, 1993


ORGANINIZED BY:   TIM O'DONNELL AND YOSEPH BAR-COHEN


SPONSOflED BY:   NASA HEADQUARTERS, CODE QE, WASHINGTON, D.C.



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NOTE:  REQUESTS FOR PROCEEDINGS OF THIS MEETING CAN BE SENT TO JPL

                (SEE ADDRESS AT THE END OF THIS HOMEPAGE)

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JPL PERSPECTIVE, ACTIVITIES, AND RECOMMENDATIONS 


   TIM O'DONNELL AND  YOSEPH BAR COHEN,
   JET PROPULSION LABORATORY


                     TWOFOLD PURPOSE


1.  Review the proposed NHB document 8077.XX "Procedures
    Standard for the Control ot Materials and Processes Within-
    NASA" dated June 19, 1992 and identity any remaining issues,

    -and

2.  Identify issues and areas of mutual Center interest for the
    potential development of Materials, Processes, and Nondestructive
    Evaluation (MP & NDE) standards.


                    SECONDARY OBJECTIVES

1.   Prioritization ot NASA MP & N9E document needs, if identified,
     via field center consensus.

2.   Have each center report on the inadequacies, if any, of existing
     - MP & NPE - documents that are widely used.

3.   Discuss/describe document development processes that will be
     of benefit to all involved centers.

4.   Improve communication between the materials organizations ot
     the NASA field centers.



                    THREE QUESTIONS:


DO WE WANT TO COORDINATE MP&NDE STANDARDS/SPECIFICATIONS
DEVELOPMENT FOR NASA APPLICATIONS?

DO WE WANT TO RECOMMEND AND SUPPORT THE RELEASE OF SUCH
DOCUMENTS THROUGH NASA HQ?

WILL WE WORK TOGETHER TO "TUNE UP" NHB 8077.XX AND SUBMIT TO HQ?




          THE NEW ENVIRONMENT

CLINTON/GORE

     -ECONOMICS, COMPETITIVENESS, ENVIRONMENT

GOLDIN 

      - FASTER, BETTER, CHEAPER
      - TAKE RISK
      - TQM

JPL

      - WORKFORCE REDUCTION
      - MORE WORK WILL BE CONTRACTED OUT





DEVELOPING TECHNOLOGY ===> STANDARDS  ===> CONSISTENT RELIABLE
AFFORDABLE ===> USE OF TECHNOLOGY




          NASA MP&NDE STANDARDS MEETING


CAN WE JUSTIFY THE NEED FOR NASA STANDARDS? 
- NOT QUANTITATIVELY.

ARGUMENTS ARE SUBJECTIVE AND OPEN FOR DEBATE.

IF YOU SEE NO HARM (YET REMAIN UNCONVINCED OF MERIT) IN A HQ
PROCESS, THEN CONSIDER BECOMING, AS THEY SAY IN BUSINE$S, A
SILENT PARTNER.

IT IS THE ARGUMENTS OF HARM THAT SHOULD RECEIVE THE MOST ATTENTION. 
 



               ARGUMENTS AGAINST NASA HQ STANDARDS


* IT TAKES TOO MUCH TlME TO ADEQUATELY REVIEW AND COMMENT ON A
SERIES OF STANDARDS.

* CENTERES LOSE CONTROL.

* CENTER TO CENTER NEGOTIATION/STANDARDS AGREEMENTS ARE ADEQUATE.

* FLEXiBILITY IN NEGOTIATING DOCUMENTATION BETWEEN MISSIOM
MANAGEMENT CENTER 
  AND DOING CENTER IS DIMINISHED.

* HQ MAY CHANGE WORDING OF A DOCUMENT DEVELOPED BY CENTERS.

* IT TAKES TOO LONG TO GET DOCUMENTS RELEASED AND SUBSEQUENTLY
CHANGED FROM HQ, E.G. NHB 8060.1C




               ARGUMENTS FOR NASA HQ (ISSUED OR SPONSORED) STANDARDS:


* NO ONE CENTER/CONTRACTOR CAN AFFORD TO DEVELOP ALL NECESSARY
STANDARDS

* INDUStRY MAY ACTUALLY PREFER THIS IN SOME CASES

* BETTER TECHNOLOGY TRANSFER BETWEEN DoD/INDUSTRY AND NASA, AND
ASTM/SAE AND NASA

* INTERCENTER COMMUNICATiON WILL BE FACILITATED

* NASA-WIDE CONSISTENCY OF SAFETY AND RELIABILITY IMPROVED

* MORE VISIBILITY FOR~CENTER MATERIALS ORGANIZATIONS






JPL IN-HOUSE ENGINEERING STANDARDS FOR FLIGHT HARDWARE 


     OBJECTIVES

     LEVEL OF EFFORT

     SHIFT FROM PAPER TO STANDARD, QUALIFIED M & P

     RECENT EXAMPLES OF WORK

     ON-GOING AND FUTURE ACTIVITIES




For more information you can contact: Yoseph Bar-Cohen, Cheng Hsieh or Tim O'Donnell Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL), M.S. 125-112, 4800 Oak Grove Drive, Pasadena, CA 91109-8099 Phone: 818-354-2610 Fax: 818-393-5011 E-Mail: yosi@jpl.nasa.gov