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3.1.5.1 NASA M&P STANDARDS AUDIO TELECON, August 25, 1994

                             
ATTENDANCE

Dick Weinstein		HQ
Claude Smith		HQ
Ted Lynch		Vitro Corp.
Dan Dittman		ARC
Fred Gross		GSFC
Roamer Predmore		GSFC
Yoseph Bar-Cohen	JPL
Tim O'Donnell		JPL
Richard Ted		KSC, SR&QA
Ed Williams		KSC, Quality Engineering
Scott Murry		KSC
Lubert Leger		JSC
Mike Pedley		JSC
Larry DeQuay		SSC



MINUTES

1. NHB 7120.5:  Dick Weinstein gave an introduction about NASA Headquarters (HQ) input to the NHB 7120.5.
   Lubert Leger felt the overall content was appropriate and he wondered why MSFC 506C was included since 
   there is no reference to it.  This was seconded by Tim O'Donnell.  The issue of critical processes was
   raised and O'Donnell suggested to agree on the definition of terminology.   Weinstein answered that the
   definition came from the NHB 5300.4 (1G).  Mike Pedley felt that the ISO 9000 definition is not helpful. 

   Weinstein promised to send the wording of the critical processes definition and said that he did not bring
   the issue to the EMC and the Safest Division objected to eliminating reference to Critical Processes.
   Leger suggested to take out the term - "we want to assure high level performance and the rest falls into
   place".  Mike Pedley responded that all processes are critical even if they are not thought so.  According
   to Lubert  if the issue is left loose it could be dangerous and the process of wire brushing Shuttle hoses
   was given as an example.  No one knows what is critical and it may place an emphasis on too specific issues.
   An inquiry made by Space Station to industry showed that the critical processes definition varies among the
   contractors.  Weinstein agreed to accept a definition that includes both safety and performance requirements.

   Due to an error in Fax Characters recognition 1G became 10.  Dick Weinstein will provide electronic form of
   the document in the future and JPL will check the current one.  There was a suggestion to strike the word
   "space" for environmental effects.  Per Coleman Bryan we want to include both ground and space.  Per Weinstein
   we should use space and ground applications. All agreed.  


	Action items:

	Remove reference to MSFC-506C
	Confirm consistency in the use of terms outgassing and offgassing
	Expand environmental effects to include space and ground environments
	Provide any additional comments by Aug. 31
	Weinstein will develop a definition of Critical Processes that includes both
         safety and performance requirements.

2.  Dick Weinstein recognized the growing capability of Homepage system but suggested not to list too many items
    that are only "in construction" and have no information behind them.  Yoseph Bar-Cohen suggested to add a
    comment on the Homepage to indicate those items that are in development

3.  Status report - The documents that cover the 2216 epoxy and RTV 566 silicone were collected as baseline. 
    We have proprietary documents from Hughes and we have MSFC and JPL documents.  We should be able to produce
    a baseline document by end of September 1994.   Weinstein suggested not to put the Hughes documents on Mosaic
    (because they are proprietary) but to use them in developing NASA standards.  KSC 123G was released on
    Aug 4, 1994 as a KSC document and JPL received the electronic version for Mosaic.  Pedley commented that there
    is an interest at JSC to visit KSC for discussions of the document as a NASA wide documents.  O'Donnell requested
    also a copy of the MSFC-164 document.

    Dick Weinstein is concerned that centers are issuing their own specs without waiting and then they are offering
    the documents for NASA wide standardization. O'Donnell requested to have a copy of the cleaning document
    SSC 79-0001 (last revision Feb. 94) for use by Coleman Bryan - the details will be discussed off-line.

    We don't have any input from for the welding document "owner", Carolyn Russell.  Jay Bennett is the contact
    person at JSC.  Apparently, welding of aluminum lithium is taking most of MSFC time.

    Tim O'Donnell informed the audience that we sent to everyone a generic document generation schedule showing
    normal time lapses between steps.   The main issue is when do we decide that we have a starting point,
    i.e. "document draft" from owner.  Weinstein suggested to show the schedule to the EMC unless there is objection.
    Weinstein has a scheduled presentation on Sept. 9 to 13, 1994 to EMC.   For existing documents it is easy to
    define a starting points but for new documents we may want to start from the recognition of a problem and the
    scoping of document.  The process will need to be flexible.   We should start the clock only when the baseline
    is ready.  As an example, Precision Cleaning will start when Bryan submits the document to the NASA M&P Working
    Group for initial review.  Leger felt document review will be more effective with a broader use of Mosaic.
    Weinstein added that Wayne Little wants EMC to take an active role and needs to be kept in the loop for both
    project initiation and project approval.

	Action items
	* Lubert Leger suggested substituting the "M&P working group" for "JPL".  
	* Schedule will start from baseline document availability
	* Collect and consolidate cleaning documents
	* JPL to assess status of welding document at MSFC

4.  Dick Weinstein will report to EMC and would like specific schedules from owners of current project documents
    assuming a starting point as defined above (hoping to have end date by 3/95).

5.  ISO TC20 Space Systems Operation - There is a number of proposals of interest to the M&P Working Group.
    Originally,  proposal was submitted on Ground Operations issues.  Dick Weinstein got 4 proposals from KSC
    using existing documents and he wants the Working Group advice on who should serve as lead for NASA on the
    four proposals.  He gave as examples: for flammability to use 8060; for cleaning and fluids to use KSC documents.
    Weinstein put together a chart listing the projects and would like to identify names for the NASA lead. 

	Action Items:
	*  Dick will send the chart listing the projects.

    Leger felt that involvement with ISO is good to do.  EMC should be aware and should issue a letter to the
    Centers management requesting support.  The TC20 committees are not related to ISO 9000.  There are 200 ISO
    committees and ISO 9000 is a product of TC 176, the TC 20 program is totally separate.  The issue of ISO is
    on the EMC agenda and Weinstein will ask their support.  He would like to see NASA lead individuals in areas
    of interest.  

    NASA recently sent a memo jointly with the Air Force committing to coordinate standards activities and use
    resources effectively. The Air Force has a list of Specs of interest and it includes some M&P documents.
    Weinstein will distribute the list in order to see if there is interest  He would like to generate a similar
    NASA document listing for the Air Force review .  O'Donnell mentioned that we began discussions with the Air Force.
    All of their general M&P documents would have to be enhanced for space application.  

	Action Items:
	*  Dick will distribute the list in order to see if there is interest.
	*  Generate a NASA document listing for the Air Force review

6.  Centers comments:  KSC - The HQ Codes are taking a long time to finalize documents.



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